Fowler Square The Next Putnam Pedestrian Plaza? [POLL]
Contemplating an uncertain future for one of Fort Greene's central public spaces.
The controversy attending last summer's installation of Putnam Pedestrian Plaza is about make its debut in Fort Greene.
At a meeting at Lafayette Avenue Presbyterian Church on Feb. 16, the public will have the chance to sound off on plans put forward by Fulton Area Business Alliance to close a section of S. Elliott Street abutting Fowler Square to vehicular traffic.
The owner of The Smoke Joint, the lone business directly facing the proposed pedestrian plaza, sounded cautiously optimistic about the proposal in a recent interview with the New York Times Local blog.
“There is no space for the delivery truck, so they need to put that into the plan,” the Joint's Ben Grossman told The Local. “If they put that in, it’s a win-win. An extension of the park would be great for the neighborhood.”
Meanwhile, one of the leaders of last year's fight over Putnam Pedestrian Plaza, Schellie Hagan of FAB rival group Fulton Area Coming Together, signaled her interest in the Fowler Square issue.
"There are people in Fort Greene that are furious about the project," Hagan said. "The same M.O. used to install the plaza over here is being used there."
Blankocat
1:22 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
This is a terrible idea, period.
Joe Gonzalez
2:41 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Who is getting paid off to bring in all these pedestrian plazas? Who was out there counting cars to know that "few cars" use that street?
Folks need to be watchful with anything these fake pols are selling us these days. Witness the Dekalb & South Portland Ave entrance to Fort Greene Park. For decades, emergency vehicles could drive right up into the Park at that intersection. About a year ago that sidewalk was widened for reasons I still cant figure out. Now police/ EMS cars CAN'T access Fort Greene Park. Someone will DIE as a result of this decision. Folks wake up, you are being lied to and robbed left and right.
zinka
4:02 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Can't wait to have this great civic amenity, open to all without any cost or requirement to buy anything. This will be terrific for the neighborhood!
Gisela Fruhling
4:34 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
FAB's getting paid by Bloomberg. FAB's in business to brownnose the administration and sabtotage Fulton Street. FYI, Zinka, the cost is enormous, not only in the actual capital waste of millions of dollars, but the stores and vehicular traffic pay a daily cost in lost business and complications from delivery trucks having to park in faraway places, handtruck deliveries, etc., etc.
Brooklyn Sandy
5:35 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
FAB Fulton...Your disingenuous daytime video promoting the Fowler Square Plaza traffic pattern shows a blatant disregard for those who live in and around the Fulton/South Elliott Place corner who would be impacted. The 10 minute video taken during the daylight hours is not an honest demonstration of the consequences of a seating invitation to the drunks exiting from Frank's at 4 AM wishing the party to go on and lounging on cars, dumping garbage and peeing into the street...having an outdoor lounge, would invite even more community disregard well into dawn. This is not about an "untrafficked" street...it's about businesses (particularly the Smoke Joint) using citizens' money to further their revenues.
As well, the disruption of access to fire engines and emergency vehicles in a problematic and usually congested Fulton St, especially with the impending stadium traffic is outrageous.
This is a selfish and thoughtless usurpation of public egress by businesses without thought to the community impact. If there were truly a sense of shared vision, you would be promoting the use of this money to bolster the allegedly "sinking" triangle in front of BAM.
Lucy
10:57 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
The true cost is never shown. Enormous waste of resources spending on unneeded plaza. Why does DOT have so much money while schools, daycare, senior centers, parks, etc receive scraps off the table? There are 3 parks within a few blocks currently underutilized and undermaintained.. FAB needs to justify its existence with unwanted projects. Both the owner of Mullane's and the principal at Brooklyn Tech have both objected to this plaza. Let's see if FAB will consider any of the many critical comments made at the June meeting or will they pretend it never happened. Will they steam roll over the objections of the local stakeholders? They already misused the letter that people signed which did nothing more than agree to an exploration of improvements to Fowler Square.
Justina Skillman
2:31 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
FAB lies all the time. They snuck the plaza in on Putnam over the objections of hundreds of longtime Clinton Hill residents. Now they're planning on running roughshod over longtime residents of Fort Greene. What the hell is FAB anyway? Are they a brownstone adaptation of the Mafia?
Tristram Goodman
3:17 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Not only are there three great parks within blocks -- Fort Greene Park, 1 block away and Schuyler Gore and South Oxford, 3 blocks away -- there's outdoor seating at Habana Outpost, also a block away, all day and into the wee morning hours. I wasn't aware that people in Fort Greene are so disabled they can't walk a block, but now that I know, my suggestion is put benches for these poor souls around the base of the Fowler statue. Habana Outpost can deliver to them there. As The Smoke Joint owner says, "win-win!"
Gertie
11:14 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012
Not everyone can afford to order from a restaurant. The city needs places where people can sit without having to buy something.
As for parks, there are hundreds of great streets within blocks. Why can't cars go there instead of on this tiny strip? Leave it for the people of the neighborhood and not drivers who use our blocks as shortcuts to go somewhere else.
Taxpayers are footing the bill for roads and the vast majority of New Yorkers, especially people in Fort Greene, do not drive. Why should we subsidize car owners?
Franklin Sturgess
8:04 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I don't remember a referendum on turning S. Elliott Street into a sitting area. Did I miss it? I did miss the two meetings FAB and DOT had on the Fowler plaza issue, but I heard they were really fractious, a lot of blowback at FAB and DOT. Who is FAB to put the plaza plan into play, anyway? Are they elected officials? Do they operate entirely off the grid, accountable to no one? That's what this looks like. We need the streets for traffic, not to sit in. We don't need FAB!
George
8:23 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I checked the story on the Putnam plaza poll and then decided to take a look at what FAB has on their site. Maybe they think they can get away with out and out lies because probably not many people go there, but lie they do. They claim the plaza has been in use during November and December. I live near there and there has been no one there since November. No tables, no chairs, no people, no events. To paraphrase Mary McCarthy, "Every word they use is a lie, including "and" and "but."" They lie about Putnam, does anyone think they won't lie about Fowler?
Jennifer
10:21 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012
Almost any other use would be better than another (under-utilized and expensive) park in the area. Why not make a roller derby rink or a wishing well or a giant triangular octopus aquarium. Any of these could be made cheaper then DOTs usual shinanigans AND would be more useful! Another idea would be, "IF it aint broke - DONT FIX IT!" Especially when the tax-payers footing the bill ARE broke.
Isabella B
12:16 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012
If a Pedestrian Plaza is need for people to sit and relax, why not open up the GATED BAM TRIANGLE PARK LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET from Fowler Square. That park is gated and away from residents.
Katerina Rogers
1:09 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012
Great Idea - NO tax $ spent, no altered traffic patterns to create chaos. How would we go about getting this to happen?
Sam
2:57 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I heard DOT wants to spend $5 million on taking out S. Elliott St. Has anyone from DOT looked at the condition of Fulton St. between S. Elliott and 7 Corners? FAB could start a new sport, asphalt surfing: Fulton St. rolls like the ocean. How about it, FAB?
Q'ianna
6:25 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
FAB seems to be this unknown, undefined entity that carries itself like Forest City Ratner. Same takeover mentality, same take-it-or-leave-it insolence, same arrogance. Forest City's belligerence comes from being courted and cossetted by our elected officials. FAB's in-your-face ways come from the same political enablers.